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Post by Vancouver on Dec 18, 2015 14:25:17 GMT
My main complaint with Cairo's proposal is that there are huge gaps from pick 10 to 11.
I think giving teams a 1 hour window is fine -- if you have pick 24 and your time to pick is in 5 hours and you know you wont be here, just send a list of 6 people - it's relatively straightforward.
I think we can finish the first round in 36 hours.
1 pick per hour.
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Post by Minnesota on Dec 18, 2015 14:45:24 GMT
My main complaint with Cairo's proposal is that there are huge gaps from pick 10 to 11. I think giving teams a 1 hour window is fine -- if you have pick 24 and your time to pick is in 5 hours and you know you wont be here, just send a list of 6 people - it's relatively straightforward. I think we can finish the first round in 36 hours. 1 pick per hour. People need to sleep. Not sure anyone is staying up overnight to process draft picks so more than likely it would take a minimum of 2 days.
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Post by New Orleans on Dec 18, 2015 14:57:41 GMT
One thing being missed out hugely is the weight changes would put on John and/or the committee. Weren't there moments during the wave in the Creation draft where there wasn't someone to sim the pick online? If that happens then it makes it moot and the person picking at say 18 can't make the pick because 17 hasn't been auto'd/picked.
Means a committee member has to be active and on time at the exact draft pick deadline time to keep it flowing OR John/NY has to be there for 72 picks at the live draft.
Again, don't think the issue is the model we have at all but 1) those who harass during it or 2) hold up Coach FA and it screws with the timing.
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Post by Vancouver on Dec 18, 2015 16:23:45 GMT
My main complaint with Cairo's proposal is that there are huge gaps from pick 10 to 11. I think giving teams a 1 hour window is fine -- if you have pick 24 and your time to pick is in 5 hours and you know you wont be here, just send a list of 6 people - it's relatively straightforward. I think we can finish the first round in 36 hours. 1 pick per hour. People need to sleep. Not sure anyone is staying up overnight to process draft picks so more than likely it would take a minimum of 2 days. Then let's make it half hour windows? Or just do time blocks? idk.
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Post by Minnesota on Dec 18, 2015 16:47:44 GMT
People need to sleep. Not sure anyone is staying up overnight to process draft picks so more than likely it would take a minimum of 2 days. Then let's make it half hour windows? Or just do time blocks? idk. Right. I am sure something could be scheduled that both makes sense and is relatively speedy.
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Post by Sarawak on Dec 18, 2015 19:07:35 GMT
To respond to Taipei and Waves having timed slots does the same thing just allows those around to talk trade or speed things up. If you are 5 picks away you know your pick is due in 5 hours outside the top 10
To Vancouver people need to sleep/commish and committee need a break and I can guarantee you that when you are on the clock for a 30 minute window which you get to 10 minutes late and are trying to scout/talk trade etc you will hate it. I think people will continue to pick early, except those that are gonna be jerks which there are always a few and they now have some limitation imposed on them which limits the ability slow ,he draft to a crawl.
Look it no system is perfect all my proposal does is give some structure to the draft board, which gives every first round pick a minimum of an hour and a known time to pick by. I would guess most years the first round gets done early if done this way. But from my perspective giving every GM a slot and a chance to trade out or scout while on the clock is good for the league.
I welcome other ideas but knowing people like the draft board, I was trying to find a compromise. I dislike waves in the first round it screws people at the end of each wave by not giving them a chance to pick in real time or trade while their pick is on the clock
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Post by Minnesota on Dec 21, 2015 18:43:04 GMT
I'll try and look over the ideas that came up here and focus down on what the 2-3 best ideas are. Maybe we can hash those out a bit further to see if we can improve them each a bit before figuring out what will work best for us going forward.
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Post by dave on Dec 21, 2015 18:56:51 GMT
I'll try and look over the ideas that came up here and focus down on what the 2-3 best ideas are. Maybe we can hash those out a bit further to see if we can improve them each a bit before figuring out what will work best for us going forward. Sounds good bossman ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Taipei on Dec 21, 2015 19:40:48 GMT
I'll try and look over the ideas that came up here and focus down on what the 2-3 best ideas are. Maybe we can hash those out a bit further to see if we can improve them each a bit before figuring out what will work best for us going forward. Sounds good bossman +1
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Post by Minnesota on Dec 22, 2015 0:09:05 GMT
Can I get some feedback on this? Anything you wanna add/change/elaborate on?
Did I miss anything? Is something not clear?
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Post by San Antonio on Dec 22, 2015 0:12:16 GMT
Option 2...it's simply not broke.
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Post by Vancouver on Dec 22, 2015 0:16:27 GMT
I would vote for system 3 -- Cons of the current draft board, which is the biggest one, is that people at the top of the draft have a significant advantage in the time they can make picks / trades -- it's unlimited -- where as those subject to the live portion have 5 minutes.
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Post by dave on Dec 22, 2015 0:20:33 GMT
I like #2 chief ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Perth on Dec 22, 2015 0:53:05 GMT
like option with waves
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 1:38:12 GMT
Option 2...it's simply not broke. I like #2 chief I like option 2. Works fine, like it did the other 100+ seasons of ABCA. Is the con for option 2 really even a con? When has this ever been a problem? Someones feelings got hurt because they felt rushed and now we need to re-invent the wheel? Pick on the board. Pick in the chat. Send a list if you can't attend. Simple.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 1:39:13 GMT
Also there's a reason the current system basically has no cons and the other two have plenty, because it's already the best way to do this.
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Post by Moscow on Dec 22, 2015 5:12:30 GMT
I think number 3 is the best. Because it puts the accountability squarely on the GM. You KNOW when your pick is and should have plenty of time to talk trade/send a list/do your job. And there would be no rushing people either. You can make your pick before your timeslot if you're up, and if not you have your timeslot to pick. Easy. And it works well- like I said- this was the option we used in another league to replace the system that's in place here and was in place there and it worked wonders.
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Post by dave on Dec 22, 2015 6:09:05 GMT
I think number 3 is the best. Because it puts the accountability squarely on the GM. You KNOW when your pick is and should have plenty of time to talk trade/send a list/do your job. And there would be no rushing people either. You can make your pick before your timeslot if you're up, and if not you have your timeslot to pick. Easy. And it works well- like I said- this was the option we used in another league to replace the system that's in place here and was in place there and it worked wonders. And here I thought I liked you Chipper ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) AND SCREW THAT ANOTHER LEAGUE!!!
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Post by Moscow on Dec 22, 2015 6:10:37 GMT
I think number 3 is the best. Because it puts the accountability squarely on the GM. You KNOW when your pick is and should have plenty of time to talk trade/send a list/do your job. And there would be no rushing people either. You can make your pick before your timeslot if you're up, and if not you have your timeslot to pick. Easy. And it works well- like I said- this was the option we used in another league to replace the system that's in place here and was in place there and it worked wonders. And here I thought I liked you Chipper ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) AND SCREW THAT ANOTHER LEAGUE!!! Lol. It worked for that league. We ran for like 4-5 years. It was a JSB league too, website and everything. We even had a draft module where we could scout players ourselves and even make the picks ourselves, and that would take the player out of the draft list. It was a really easy export for the commish.
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Post by dave on Dec 22, 2015 7:33:01 GMT
See that's the reason I don't like any of the options other then what we currently do. John doesn't need more extra work then he already has. Lets enjoy what we have since it's been fine for like 1000 seasons like Seer said. That being said, lets trade ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Mikawa on Dec 22, 2015 7:53:04 GMT
Also there's a reason the current system basically has no cons and the other two have plenty, because it's already the best way to do this. Number 2 could also have more cons given one of the cons for option 3 is that we may feel rushed with having at least an hour... I can't remember the last time I had more than 5 minutes for my pick with option 2. In terms of might not be available for your pick... this happens with the live sim portion now as well. In terms of putting more stress on John, multiple committee members can help out here. See that's the reason I don't like any of the options other then what we currently do. John doesn't need more extra work then he already has. Lets enjoy what we have since it's been fine for like 1000 seasons like Seer said. That being said, lets trade What I said above, a few of us could make sure this runs smoothly.
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Post by Minnesota on Dec 22, 2015 13:28:04 GMT
Number 2 could also have more cons given one of the cons for option 3 is that we may feel rushed with having at least an hour... I can't remember the last time I had more than 5 minutes for my pick with option 2. So how do you think it's best I word that if I want to add that to the con list? I mentioned the peer pressure already. Should I expand on that or add another line with something specific?
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Post by New Orleans on Dec 22, 2015 14:07:05 GMT
If I had a vote, it would be for number 2. Pros outweigh cons.
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Post by Taipei on Dec 22, 2015 16:11:16 GMT
#2 or #3, both are fine. I'm not sure I really see any reason to change though. As just about everyone has said, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Someone will always find something to complain about, don't take it so personally.
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Post by Minnesota on Dec 22, 2015 18:13:50 GMT
yeah I like the way we do it already, I dont like the wave system
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