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Post by Brooklyn on Sept 29, 2015 4:28:16 GMT
7 trades in 2 days, involving 42 players, 3 1st round picks, and 2 2nd round picks.
How did SA net out?
IN: Doug Wrenn Benji Wilson Wayman Tisdale Brent Barry Glenn Robinson Jiri Zidek Kwame Brown Ramon Sessions Henry Bibby DJ Strawberry Gary Trent Bob Sura Acie Law 2001 Buenos Aires 1st Round Pick 2003 Buenos Aires 1st Round Pick 2001 Seattle 2nd Round Pick 2002 Seattle 2nd Round Pick
OUT: Andrew Wiggins Joel Embiid John Starks Alan Henderson Adreian Payne Randolph Childress Clint Capela Dick O'Keefe Jim Price Bob Harris Corky Calhoun Melvin Turpin Vernon Jensen 2002 San Antonio 1st Round Pick
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Post by Beijing on Sept 29, 2015 10:41:34 GMT
Where is the "why the hell should I care" option?
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Post by San Antonio on Sept 29, 2015 11:03:34 GMT
Where is the "why the hell should I care" option? That would be the option to not open this thread. Although I can see where you're coming from. It's like asking a group of chimps to chime in on global warming
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Post by Vancouver on Sept 29, 2015 12:26:16 GMT
Where is the "why the hell should I care" option? That would be the option to not open this thread. Although I can see where you're coming from. It's like asking a group of chimps to chime in on global warming This made me lol. In looking at it, I don't think in totality the deals are terrible and I subscribe to the belief that stars win. Embiid, while he has potential is way overpaid and signficantly raw, which carries a lot of risk. SA spread that risk around by obtaining some other guys who may not have the ceiling of Embiid but still have some good potential. I wasn't a fan of the Wiggins deal but the same applies here, although he's definitely further along in his development. It will be hard to gauge these trades until 2-3 seasons from now so until then, I will say it's not good because he doesn't have any of his picks and is rebuilding.
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Post by Beijing on Sept 29, 2015 12:50:22 GMT
Where is the "why the hell should I care" option? That would be the option to not open this thread. Although I can see where you're coming from. It's like asking a group of chimps to chime in on global warming +1's bud... +1's
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Post by Corey V. on Sept 29, 2015 13:06:42 GMT
Where is the "why the hell should I care" option? That would be the option to not open this thread. Although I can see where you're coming from. It's like asking a group of chimps to chime in on global warming Chimps are directly affected by global warming, so I would definitely be interested in their opinion.
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Post by New Orleans on Sept 29, 2015 13:20:20 GMT
That would be the option to not open this thread. Although I can see where you're coming from. It's like asking a group of chimps to chime in on global warming It will be hard to gauge these trades until 2-3 seasons from now so until then, I will say it's not good because he doesn't have any of his picks and is rebuilding. I'd agree with this but odds any of these players/picks belong to SA in 1 season, much less 2-3 are slim to none.
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Post by San Antonio on Sept 29, 2015 13:21:56 GMT
FWIW, once I found the core I liked in Legends...I held on to them.
Z Ilgauskas Francis Sprewell Iverson Gathers
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Post by New Orleans on Sept 29, 2015 13:32:39 GMT
FWIW, once I found the core I liked in Legends...I held on to them. Z Ilgauskas Francis Sprewell Iverson Gathers I may have been exiled before then.
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Post by Aalborg on Sept 29, 2015 13:43:00 GMT
Still missed the playoffs with them too..
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Post by Minnesota on Sept 29, 2015 13:52:10 GMT
FWIW, once I found the core I liked in Legends...I held on to them. Z Ilgauskas Francis Sprewell Iverson Gathers Hadn't Gathers been dealt and then we closed the doors? Odds are those guys would have been gone by now too. Plus, as Roark pointed out, most of those guys weren't that good.
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Post by San Antonio on Sept 29, 2015 14:00:47 GMT
FWIW, once I found the core I liked in Legends...I held on to them. Z Ilgauskas Francis Sprewell Iverson Gathers Hadn't Gathers been dealt and then we closed the doors? Odds are those guys would have been gone by now too. Plus, as Roark pointed out, most of those guys weren't that good. LMAO I'm not sure hanging on to Roark's evaluations is the smartest move. He's one of the worst talent evaluaters in the league judging by his trades involving Alex English, Isiah Thomas. Not to mention the terrible selections of James Worthy, Sabonis and countless others. Cool speculation though
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Post by Minnesota on Sept 29, 2015 14:17:09 GMT
Hadn't Gathers been dealt and then we closed the doors? Odds are those guys would have been gone by now too. Plus, as Roark pointed out, most of those guys weren't that good. LMAO I'm not sure hanging on to Roark's evaluations is the smartest move. He's one of the worst talent evaluaters in the league judging by his trades involving Alex English, Isiah Thomas. Not to mention the terrible selections of James Worthy, Sabonis and countless others. Cool speculation though If you think I am basing my judgment of those guys purely on what Roark's suggested then you are dumber than I thought. Roark also has a MUCH better track record in these leagues than you do. Should we go over your failed trades/picks/etc? What Roark has done in his career doesn't change the fact that you are (likely) worse off now than you were before you started moving picks/players - so basically it was better before you got involved. This is what happened in Cairo, Toronto, and I am not shocked to see it continue in San Antonio. You think you might pick up some tips along the way but I haven't seen much improvement from you as a GM since you started.
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Post by San Antonio on Sept 29, 2015 14:19:38 GMT
LMAO I'm not sure hanging on to Roark's evaluations is the smartest move. He's one of the worst talent evaluaters in the league judging by his trades involving Alex English, Isiah Thomas. Not to mention the terrible selections of James Worthy, Sabonis and countless others. Cool speculation though If you think I am basing my judgment of those guys purely on what Roark's suggested then you are dumber than I thought. Roark also has a MUCH better track record in these leagues than you do. Should we go over your failed trades/picks/etc? What Roark has done in his career doesn't change the fact that you are (likely) worse off now than you were before you started moving picks/players - so basically it was better before you got involved. This is what happened in Cairo, Toronto, and I am not shocked to see it continue in San Antonio. You think you might pick up some tips along the way but I haven't seen much improvement from you as a GM since you started. LMAO all I read was Roark is part of the clique so he gets default nod of approval Cool opinions bro
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Post by Aalborg on Sept 29, 2015 14:20:14 GMT
Poor spurs, sad thing is you actually believe all that. If you do a little research youll find that our issues (and if by issues you mean not winning a title) had nothing to do with talent evaluation, in fact we drafted better than most teams in league history, just go back and see. Our problems we're poor tc's for guys like Sabonis and worthy, and of course dealing english in the first place. That said our deal for thomas turned out to be the right one adding hawkins and others while not being able to bring back thomas in the first place.. And well worthy while he stunk for everyone we gave up mel daniels for him so well no loss there either. I get it there's a lot of envy there, your track record is the worst in league history, and while you think you can evaluate talent, no one really knows cause you cannot hang onto a team for longer than a season. I'm rooting for you to have at least some success, but alas thats a long way off.
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Post by Minnesota on Sept 29, 2015 14:22:19 GMT
If you think I am basing my judgment of those guys purely on what Roark's suggested then you are dumber than I thought. Roark also has a MUCH better track record in these leagues than you do. Should we go over your failed trades/picks/etc? What Roark has done in his career doesn't change the fact that you are (likely) worse off now than you were before you started moving picks/players - so basically it was better before you got involved. This is what happened in Cairo, Toronto, and I am not shocked to see it continue in San Antonio. You think you might pick up some tips along the way but I haven't seen much improvement from you as a GM since you started. LMAO all I read was Roark is part of the clique so he gets default nod of approval Cool opinions bro You're the one who's making it about him. I keep telling you that you're doing a poor job. That's the part to focus on.
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Post by San Antonio on Sept 29, 2015 14:28:57 GMT
Poor spurs, sad thing is you actually believe all that. If you do a little research youll find that our issues (and if by issues you mean not winning a title) had nothing to do with talent evaluation, in fact we drafted better than most teams in league history, just go back and see. Our problems we're poor tc's for guys like Sabonis and worthy, and of course dealing english in the first place. That said our deal for thomas turned out to be the right one adding hawkins and others while not being able to bring back thomas in the first place.. And well worthy while he stunk for everyone we gave up mel daniels for him so well no loss there either. I get it there's a lot of envy there, your track record is the worst in league history, and while you think you can evaluate talent, no one really knows cause you cannot hang onto a team for longer than a season. I'm rooting for you to have at least some success, but alas thats a long way off. Lol worse track record than the team you mentored? Didn't you also advice Boston to deal away all their players for nothing in order to re-sign Kukoc? Thanks for rooting for me.
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Post by Aalborg on Sept 29, 2015 14:50:14 GMT
Lol i never mentioned to boston to deal all his guys to keep kukoc lol.. i believe brazil had some success and still is . Youve never been .500.. oh wait maybe your first year in cairo its been so long
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Post by New Orleans on Sept 29, 2015 14:53:32 GMT
Lol i never mentioned to boston to deal all his guys to keep kukoc lol.. i believe brazil had some success and still is . Youve never been .500.. oh wait maybe your first year in cairo its been so long Whoa whoa whoa... I did not listen to you when Brazil was at it's best. LOL
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Post by Sarawak on Sept 29, 2015 17:15:43 GMT
Regardless of how this comes out, as Moscow has said this is just what this GM does. He loves young guys, trades a ton (I would submit too much), never sticks with a direction for very long and has enough GM skill to usually end up between 30-39 wins a year. I hate the middle/mediocrity so I couldn't stomach it, but if trading is what makes him happy and winning isn't that important to him to each their own. I don't see a plan here, I don't see anybody on this roster that I look at and go in 5 years that guys is going to be a top 3 player on a contender etc.
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Post by Beijing on Sept 29, 2015 17:45:25 GMT
Lol i never mentioned to boston to deal all his guys to keep kukoc lol.. i believe brazil had some success and still is . Youve never been .500.. oh wait maybe your first year in cairo its been so long Whoa whoa whoa... I did not listen to you when Brazil was at it's best. LOL Pretty sure he wasn't referring to you lol
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Post by New Orleans on Sept 29, 2015 17:48:13 GMT
Whoa whoa whoa... I did not listen to you when Brazil was at it's best. LOL Pretty sure he wasn't referring to you lol Well we know he isn't taking credit for Mike's improvement late in the Legends run. When I was booted out, I helped Mike really learn the ropes for a season and he hasn't missed playoffs since. So he MUST be talking about our AvN relationship spilling over to FBPB3 LOL
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Post by Cleveland on Sept 29, 2015 22:44:43 GMT
+1
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Post by ankstotle on Sept 29, 2015 22:47:48 GMT
Oh man. It's hard to actually gauge if the trades made sense or not but I always thought wiggins and embiid could be top 15 guys in the league. The issue isn't if the trades make sense or not, the issue is that we ll never know this because of the high turnover of the team.
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Post by Aalborg on Sept 30, 2015 5:08:23 GMT
Pretty sure he wasn't referring to you lol Well we know he isn't taking credit for Mike's improvement late in the Legends run. When I was booted out, I helped Mike really learn the ropes for a season and he hasn't missed playoffs since. So he MUST be talking about our AvN relationship spilling over to FBPB3 LOL Unlike some i dont take credit for others, if they ask ill give my opinion.. the end. I did hear from mike almost daily of your talks, he seemed to find them entertaining.
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