Post by Istanbul on Jan 28, 2017 9:26:01 GMT
Hey gang:
I've given this a go for a while, and I was even FTPing my depth charts during most of these strike-y times or whatever, but it's an additional load to add to a new forum when you're joining an established league. Especially if you're part of other established communities, it takes a bit of time to get super immersed and I think just the kind of player I am...I know at some point or another, my real life schedule isn't conducive to me being in a league where I have to post all of the time.
So I appreciate the opportunity and reception and sorry I didn't trade LeBron haha, but...I should bow out. Some parting thoughts:
- That said, I think for future people, it'd be useful to have more direct communication from whoever is leading the ship. Those kinds of comms go a long way for newbies, even experience newbs from other leagues/forums. For instance, I was not aware of the three-strikes thing until dude who recruited me sent me a message over at FOFC to try to keep me engaged (which frankly, I appreciate!) but for someone who joined and say, went dark...I feel like if you're gonna ask people to post all of the time, you can use your committee to write them and say "hey, you're at two strikes. Let us know what's up, etc. Or even explaining to them what the hell that means. (Not me, I follow fine.)
- Realize this is a pretty tight knit community and it can be tough for people showing up from elsewhere to break into that. If you're (like me) experienced on other boards/communities already, the idea of trying to 'prove yourself' to a new league is always tough. I don't think anything was particularly inhospitable. It's just something to realize that can be tough for folks and at the end of the day, you'll just go back and hang out with folks you're already comfortable with online.
- If you're going to ask people to post constantly - through activity posts, etc. - think about some mechanism for off-season franchise name changes. I know you hate those, but I've found across the board that it helps with immersion and even if you have say, a one-season participation requirement in advance of it, that's still a carrot on a stick for someone to hang in, so they can feel like their team is theirs. Especially in a league where the players are real but mixed generation, I had a double tough time trying to get connected to my team because it just felt really jarring AND the whole Istanbul thing just didn't connect with me at all.
- I found the posting that you posted your depth chart requirement to be particularly onerous. If I sent it via FTP, the game notes it for the commish, so I don't understand the extra step. I get that people who don't have the game need to do it and perhaps the crowd effect of activity by people posting constantly, but it just seems like an extra unnecessary step.
- As a new person, it was not immediately apparent to me the value of participation points. Some clarity on this for newbies during your orientation (even just a better post explaining it) could be useful.
- Trading here needs work. For all of the 'participation' there just isn't a lot of fireworks. A ton of sims, sure. But honestly, I don't care about articles about other teams and I don't know how has the time to get that immersed into the fake universe that isn't a league that moves especially fast anyway.
This is more about me, than the league. I'm a fast-sim guy who probably thrives more in a fictional environment, so a slowsie league that requires a lot of watering probably was going to doom me from the start, but I was totally open to the idea because the league is well-run. I just found that I couldn't keep up with all of the requirements. Hopefully this (constructive) feedback can help in the future as you're trying to figure out how to evolve things and keep newer folks active, as well as vets.
In the end, I think when it comes to the pro game, I just prefer my own sim league where I can play as fast as I want as a GM, I just don't care about tinkering as much.
Thanks for letting me dabble for a bit, gang.
Cheers.
I've given this a go for a while, and I was even FTPing my depth charts during most of these strike-y times or whatever, but it's an additional load to add to a new forum when you're joining an established league. Especially if you're part of other established communities, it takes a bit of time to get super immersed and I think just the kind of player I am...I know at some point or another, my real life schedule isn't conducive to me being in a league where I have to post all of the time.
So I appreciate the opportunity and reception and sorry I didn't trade LeBron haha, but...I should bow out. Some parting thoughts:
- That said, I think for future people, it'd be useful to have more direct communication from whoever is leading the ship. Those kinds of comms go a long way for newbies, even experience newbs from other leagues/forums. For instance, I was not aware of the three-strikes thing until dude who recruited me sent me a message over at FOFC to try to keep me engaged (which frankly, I appreciate!) but for someone who joined and say, went dark...I feel like if you're gonna ask people to post all of the time, you can use your committee to write them and say "hey, you're at two strikes. Let us know what's up, etc. Or even explaining to them what the hell that means. (Not me, I follow fine.)
- Realize this is a pretty tight knit community and it can be tough for people showing up from elsewhere to break into that. If you're (like me) experienced on other boards/communities already, the idea of trying to 'prove yourself' to a new league is always tough. I don't think anything was particularly inhospitable. It's just something to realize that can be tough for folks and at the end of the day, you'll just go back and hang out with folks you're already comfortable with online.
- If you're going to ask people to post constantly - through activity posts, etc. - think about some mechanism for off-season franchise name changes. I know you hate those, but I've found across the board that it helps with immersion and even if you have say, a one-season participation requirement in advance of it, that's still a carrot on a stick for someone to hang in, so they can feel like their team is theirs. Especially in a league where the players are real but mixed generation, I had a double tough time trying to get connected to my team because it just felt really jarring AND the whole Istanbul thing just didn't connect with me at all.
- I found the posting that you posted your depth chart requirement to be particularly onerous. If I sent it via FTP, the game notes it for the commish, so I don't understand the extra step. I get that people who don't have the game need to do it and perhaps the crowd effect of activity by people posting constantly, but it just seems like an extra unnecessary step.
- As a new person, it was not immediately apparent to me the value of participation points. Some clarity on this for newbies during your orientation (even just a better post explaining it) could be useful.
- Trading here needs work. For all of the 'participation' there just isn't a lot of fireworks. A ton of sims, sure. But honestly, I don't care about articles about other teams and I don't know how has the time to get that immersed into the fake universe that isn't a league that moves especially fast anyway.
This is more about me, than the league. I'm a fast-sim guy who probably thrives more in a fictional environment, so a slowsie league that requires a lot of watering probably was going to doom me from the start, but I was totally open to the idea because the league is well-run. I just found that I couldn't keep up with all of the requirements. Hopefully this (constructive) feedback can help in the future as you're trying to figure out how to evolve things and keep newer folks active, as well as vets.
In the end, I think when it comes to the pro game, I just prefer my own sim league where I can play as fast as I want as a GM, I just don't care about tinkering as much.
Thanks for letting me dabble for a bit, gang.
Cheers.