INSIDER: Vancouver Balks, Barkley Traded to Harlem Instead

[Brooklyn]

Vancouver Balks, Barkley Traded to Harlem Instead


Harlem, NY - Future Hall of Famer Charles Barkley was traded to the Harlem Globetrotters early Tuesday morning. But the big news emerging later in the day had nothing to do with the trade that happened - it had to do with the trade that didn't happen.

Harlem management had been working tirelessly over recent weeks to find a new home for Barkley since the organization held Brazils 1st round pick in the upcoming draft. With almost nothing of value on Brazil's roster except Barkley and McDyess, the team was still hovering around .500. Harlem management made it a goal to find Barkley a new home as soon as possible, to improve the pick as much as possible.

Late Monday, Harlem management approached Vancouver management with a potential 3-way trade. The proposed trade was as follows:


To Vancouver:
Charles Barkley (from Brazil)

To Brazil:
Michael Olowokandi (from Harlem)
Mike Bantom (from Harlem)
Bogdan Bogdanovic (from Vancouver)
2007 Vancouver 1st Round Pick (from Vancouver)

To Harlem:
Wayman Tisdale (from Vancouver)
2008 Brazil 2nd Round Pick (from Brazil)


In the end, the deal would have seen Vancouver add the 12th leading scoring scorer in the league Charles Barkley without losing anything that currently provides them with minutes played (Bogdanovic, Tisdale, late 1st round pick).

Harlem management thought it was a no brainer for Vancouver, as the trade would seemingly put Vancouver into the #1 or #2 seed in terms of championship odds. Instead, Vancouver management rejected the trade before it could even be presented to Brazil.

The sticking point? Vancouver wanted to relieve themselves of Robert Horry's two-year contract instead of Tisdale's expiring contract. 

In addition to giving up Olowokandi for a 2nd round pick, Harlem management was not willing to take on Horry's contract. Harlem management was also not interested in a trade that gave Brazil additional talent. The deal fell apart quickly, and Harlem ended up acquiring Barkley themselves.

"you not adding barkley for the cost of your late 1st, and not losing any players you use, was probably the most ridiculous thing ive ever seen in this league. barkleys 12th in league scoring this year. it would have almost guaranteed you a championship" Harlem management said to Vancouver management on Tuesday.

"Eh and where do I play mkg. Gives me no pg" Vancouver management responded, making little sense to Harlem management.

Harlem management continues to be dumbfounded at the fear GMs have in this league of adding talent, while they are already in a strong position, to push themselves towards a title. While Vancouver has a strong team and should have a strong playoff run as is, barring any trades before the deadline Vancouver will not win the championship this year. But this trade would have put them in prime position to do so.

Instead, Vancouver management will hold onto the memories of their championship banner from the inaugural season, when most teams had similar talent levels and all Vancouver needed to do was make 1 or 2 trades to put themselves ahead of the pack. Decisions like the one made Tuesday will ensure a legitimate championship banner won't be raised any time soon in Vancouver.

[Milan]

Love these articles

[Vancouver]

Oh yeah. Sorry I don't want a 32 year old whos athletics have declined significantly and is signed for another 3 years. When you ever have a winning season, let me know and then maybe I might care of you opinion on how to manage my team.

[deregocr]

Everyone has a different style. Some want to be good every year, some want to be great one year no matter the cost to the future.

[Taipei]

Aug 17, 2016 9:46:32 GMT deregocr said:

Everyone has a different style. Some want to be good every year, some want to be great one year no matter the cost to the future.

Some try to be mediocre every year. 

[Seattle]

And some settle for losing every year...

[Beijing]

Yawn

















+1

[Minnesota]

cat fight

[Portland]

Seriously?

[Moscow]

Just personal opinion- if I were Brazil, I would have DEMANDED my pick back from Harlem if they wanted Barkley. Makes no sense otherwise- cause not only is Harlem getting Barkley, they're also getting a better draft pick- which should be factored into trade discussions.

[Minnesota]

Aug 17, 2016 14:14:58 GMT Moscow said:

Just personal opinion- if I were Brazil, I would have DEMANDED my pick back from Harlem if they wanted Barkley. Makes no sense otherwise- cause not only is Harlem getting Barkley, they're also getting a better draft pick- which should be factored into trade discussions.

yeah except harlem and brazil are one and the same that's why harlem was doing brazils trade negotiating

[deregocr]

Aug 17, 2016 14:38:13 GMT Minnesota said:

Aug 17, 2016 14:14:58 GMT Moscow said:

Just personal opinion- if I were Brazil, I would have DEMANDED my pick back from Harlem if they wanted Barkley. Makes no sense otherwise- cause not only is Harlem getting Barkley, they're also getting a better draft pick- which should be factored into trade discussions.

yeah except harlem and brazil are one and the same that's why harlem was doing brazils trade negotiating

Demand? If I got my pick back it wouldn't have made sense for Harlem to take on Barkley. If I DEMANDED the pick there is no trade. So I could have kept Barkley, won a couple more games this year and next, and hope to sneak over .500, or I could trade him for a couple good pieces that might help in the future. I don't trade to make other teams worse, I trade to make my team better

[New York]

Don't often get to use that outside of slack

[Brooklyn]

Aug 17, 2016 4:21:31 GMT Vancouver said:

Oh yeah. Sorry I don't want a 32 year old whos athletics have declined significantly and is signed for another 3 years. When you ever have a winning season, let me know and then maybe I might care of you opinion on how to manage my team.

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[Buenos Aires]

Aug 17, 2016 14:38:13 GMT Minnesota said:

Aug 17, 2016 14:14:58 GMT Moscow said:

Just personal opinion- if I were Brazil, I would have DEMANDED my pick back from Harlem if they wanted Barkley. Makes no sense otherwise- cause not only is Harlem getting Barkley, they're also getting a better draft pick- which should be factored into trade discussions.

yeah except harlem and brazil are one and the same that's why harlem was doing brazils trade negotiating

+1 This is a woefully underrated post

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[Moscow]

Aug 17, 2016 15:29:46 GMT deregocr said:

Aug 17, 2016 14:38:13 GMT Minnesota said:

yeah except harlem and brazil are one and the same that's why harlem was doing brazils trade negotiating

Demand? If I got my pick back it wouldn't have made sense for Harlem to take on Barkley. If I DEMANDED the pick there is no trade. So I could have kept Barkley, won a couple more games this year and next, and hope to sneak over .500, or I could trade him for a couple good pieces that might help in the future. I don't trade to make other teams worse, I trade to make my team better

I don't disagree with the part about not trading to make other teams worse, but what I AM saying is that for Harlem to get Barkley and keep your pick- the asking price needed to be much higher, because part of the trading coming his way is the asset of you losing even more games- I'm saying that price should have been factored in. If this trade was to another team that DIDN'T have your pick, I'd be pretty OK with it- but giving it to the team that has your pick? You need to get more value out of that. That's all I'm saying here.

And yes, I know I'm a bit biased because I was the guy who got Barkley on Brazil (and it's my fault it got to this point because his value got diminished last season in the CPUed DC at SF), but even from a neutral point of view (which I really am trying to express here)- this, to me, doesn't seem like enough value. Personally- I would have rather hung onto Barkley, hope to sneak over .500, rather than gift a better lottery pick AND a better overall team to the team that has my pick. Especially if they're in the same conference as me.

[Brooklyn]

Aug 18, 2016 1:38:09 GMT Moscow said:

Aug 17, 2016 15:29:46 GMT deregocr said:

Demand? If I got my pick back it wouldn't have made sense for Harlem to take on Barkley. If I DEMANDED the pick there is no trade. So I could have kept Barkley, won a couple more games this year and next, and hope to sneak over .500, or I could trade him for a couple good pieces that might help in the future. I don't trade to make other teams worse, I trade to make my team better

I don't disagree with the part about not trading to make other teams worse, but what I AM saying is that for Harlem to get Barkley and keep your pick- the asking price needed to be much higher, because part of the trading coming his way is the asset of you losing even more games- I'm saying that price should have been factored in. If this trade was to another team that DIDN'T have your pick, I'd be pretty OK with it- but giving it to the team that has your pick? You need to get more value out of that. That's all I'm saying here.

And yes, I know I'm a bit biased because I was the guy who got Barkley on Brazil (and it's my fault it got to this point because his value got diminished last season in the CPUed DC at SF), but even from a neutral point of view (which I really am trying to express here)- this, to me, doesn't seem like enough value. Personally- I would have rather hung onto Barkley, hope to sneak over .500, rather than gift a better lottery pick AND a better overall team to the team that has my pick. Especially if they're in the same conference as me.

He approached me about getting his pick back, but there was nothing he had I would move it for.
From his perspective, his pick is a lost cause. The deal he made to get a future 1st round pick that could be decent, plus a 24 year old decent player (Olowokandi) seemed to be the most he could get for Barkley. Like this article says, Vancouver wouldn't even give up his 30+ overall pick for Barkley, and I know he shopped Barkley to other teams for a few weeks. I'm pretty sure all he cares about is getting the best value for Barkley, not about what it means for his pick which he doesn't have.

[Moscow]

I get that- and we won't even get into what I think about the league underrating Barkley- I definitely blame it on his season at SF last year, because his ratings and stats are still there- they're not league MVP Barkley stats, but they are still really, really good stats that could make him the best or the 2nd best player on a title team for sure. And I think the contract is a very fair contract for a player of his skill and his value.

That being said- if I was still the GM of Brazil, there would have been absolutely no way that this trade would have been done without my pick coming back. And I absolutely would have rather held onto Barkley and not had my pick and win a few more games then get less value than what he should get in return. And I know he shopped him for weeks, but I also know that there was absolutely a way he could have gotten this package or maybe even a bit better from a contending team- he would just have to get a little more creative. And hey, different strokes for different folks- and I get what he's doing- I just disagree with the way it was done. That's all. I still think he's doing a good job with what I left him- and believe me- I left a shitshow.

tl;dr- I think the GMs in this league are now totally underrating Barkley's skills and contracts- and I think that includes the current GM of Brazil.

[deregocr]

Aug 18, 2016 2:22:06 GMT Moscow said:

I get that- and we won't even get into what I think about the league underrating Barkley- I definitely blame it on his season at SF last year, because his ratings and stats are still there- they're not league MVP Barkley stats, but they are still really, really good stats that could make him the best or the 2nd best player on a title team for sure. And I think the contract is a very fair contract for a player of his skill and his value.

That being said- if I was still the GM of Brazil, there would have been absolutely no way that this trade would have been done without my pick coming back. And I absolutely would have rather held onto Barkley and not had my pick and win a few more games then get less value than what he should get in return. And I know he shopped him for weeks, but I also know that there was absolutely a way he could have gotten this package or maybe even a bit better from a contending team- he would just have to get a little more creative. And hey, different strokes for different folks- and I get what he's doing- I just disagree with the way it was done. That's all. I still think he's doing a good job with what I left him- and believe me- I left a shitshow.

tl;dr- I think the GMs in this league are now totally underrating Barkley's skills and contracts- and I think that includes the current GM of Brazil.

I think I actually overvalued his skills and contract bases in the responses I got when trying to trade him. One I decided to move him he was only as valuable as the package I could get back, and while there was a lot of interest, no one wanted to give up any real pieces. I think it came down to the fact that the really good teams didn't need him and the more mediocre teams knew he wouldn't put them into title contention.

I know I didn't have the same emotional attachment to him as you but I understand your frustration of seeing your centerpiece traded for a bag of baseballs and a player to be named later.

[Sarawak]

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